Word is when Kiffin went to Plant to watch Charles and Murray play, he was talking to Marve too. The Marves are going to challenge the release stipulations and he could end up at UT.
Word is when Kiffin went to Plant to watch Charles and Murray play, he was talking to Marve too. The Marves are going to challenge the release stipulations and he could end up at UT.
so they'd turn down Tahj Boyd, but would love to have Marve??
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vthokie22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so they'd turn down Tahj Boyd, but would love to have Marve??</div></div>
Marve is a pro style QB whereas Boyd isnt, why even ask such a dumb question.
so they would rather have a terrible pro-style qb than a good dual-threat??
it's not a dumb question to ask why a school would want a kid who can't start for a 7-6 ACC team, while at the same time rejecting a kid who is an Army All-American...sounds more like dumb logic than a dumb question
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vthokie22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so they would rather have a terrible pro-style qb than a good dual-threat??
it's not a dumb question to ask why a school would want a kid who can't start for a 7-6 ACC team, while at the same time rejecting a kid who is an Army All-American...sounds more like dumb logic than a dumb question</div></div>
Marve was a freshman, has alot of talent, and with some coaching its hard to say how good he good be. You just never know. He wasnt ready to be thrown to the wolves, most freshmen arent. Its pretty obvious that Kiffin is saying Boyd cant do what we want him to do whereas Marve at least has the skill set to do what they want him to do. I just cant believe you dont see that. Comparing Boyd to Marve is like comparing Tommy Frazier to Troy Aikman. Even if they were both evenly great, Aikman is the one that fits into Kiffin's system. It really was a dumb question.
dang i didnt realize ed reed was a 2 star .. wow
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich_Kotite</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vthokie22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so they would rather have a terrible pro-style qb than a good dual-threat??
it's not a dumb question to ask why a school would want a kid who can't start for a 7-6 ACC team, while at the same time rejecting a kid who is an Army All-American...sounds more like dumb logic than a dumb question</div></div>
Marve was a freshman, has alot of talent, and with some coaching its hard to say how good he good be. You just never know. He wasnt ready to be thrown to the wolves, most freshmen arent. Its pretty obvious that Kiffin is saying Boyd cant do what we want him to do whereas Marve at least has the skill set to do what they want him to do. I just cant believe you dont see that. Comparing Boyd to Marve is like comparing Tommy Frazier to Troy Aikman. Even if they were both evenly great, Aikman is the one that fits into Kiffin's system. It really was a dumb question. </div></div>
no...it's like comparing Tommy Frasier to Grant Noel
you said yourself it's hard to say how good he could be...same goes for Tahj Boyd...neither QB will help next year, that's a given...but with Boyd you have 4 years to bring him along, and while he is learning the QB aspects he can make plays with his legs...whereas Marve is gonna need a good O-Line and will only have 2 years
you act like Boyd can't throw either...it's called "dual-threat", not "running qb"
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vthokie22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich_Kotite</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vthokie22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so they would rather have a terrible pro-style qb than a good dual-threat??
it's not a dumb question to ask why a school would want a kid who can't start for a 7-6 ACC team, while at the same time rejecting a kid who is an Army All-American...sounds more like dumb logic than a dumb question</div></div>
Marve was a freshman, has alot of talent, and with some coaching its hard to say how good he good be. You just never know. He wasnt ready to be thrown to the wolves, most freshmen arent. Its pretty obvious that Kiffin is saying Boyd cant do what we want him to do whereas Marve at least has the skill set to do what they want him to do. I just cant believe you dont see that. Comparing Boyd to Marve is like comparing Tommy Frazier to Troy Aikman. Even if they were both evenly great, Aikman is the one that fits into Kiffin's system. It really was a dumb question. </div></div>
no...it's like comparing Tommy Frasier to Grant Noel
you said yourself it's hard to say how good he could be...same goes for Tahj Boyd...neither QB will help next year, that's a given...but with Boyd you have 4 years to bring him along, and while he is learning the QB aspects he can make plays with his legs...whereas Marve is gonna need a good O-Line and will only have 2 years
you act like Boyd can't throw either...it's called "dual-threat", not "running qb"</div></div>
and Grant Noel fits UT's system alot better than say Taylor, Randle, Vick, Vick, Clark, or DeShazo do. Boyd is just like every one of those guys. Most good QB's do need a good line. I think Kiffin would want to create a good line. Wow, I thought all teams want to develop a good line.
Has Taylor really LED them to those accomplishments? It sure as hell looks like the defense LED them to me.
Kiffin doesnt want someone learning a position while they are making plays with their legs. Every guy that hes ever coached learned the position. They didnt make plays with their legs. Being a VT fan, Im sure you think running the ball is what QB's are supposed to do first, but they arent. All of those guys at USC do just fine while having limited mobility.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vthokie22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so they'd turn down Tahj Boyd, but would love to have Marve?? </div></div>
I don't think they turned down Boyd. They told him he didn't exactly fit their system as a pro style QB, he then told him that he would honor his scholly but wasn't guaranteed to be playing QB. He could fight for it and if he won great but if not he was going to be moved to another position. I don't think Boyd's father liked hearing that so he decommitted. Now it looks as if he will either be a Buckeye, Duck, or Eagle.
I like Marve and IMO he is very similar to Chris Leak, he will be a good college QB but that will be as far as he will go. He throws one pretty ball.
And just because he is an Army All-American doesn't mean squat. There have been plenty of bust who have graced the nation at the Army game. People who get caught up on recruiting stars are a complete joke, seems like to me there are more 2-3 stars that end up being your best and most productive players on the collegiate level. Normally your 5 stars are bust, not all, but quite a few never see a college field.
Just as an example look at some of the Big 12 QB's that made a huge splash this year, what were they rated coming out of HS.
2005 Class
Chase Daniel (Mizz) - 3 star
Zac Robinson (OSU) - 3 star
Colt McCoy (Texas) - 3 star
Notable 4 and 5 star recruits ahead of them (Ryan Perrilloux [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] , Jake Christensen, Ike Whitaker, Josh Portis, Kyle Reed, need I go further) These were the Top 5 in that class.
Just a couple of more,
Todd Ressing (Kansas) - 3 star
Sam Bradford (Oklahoma) - 3 star, won the Heisman
So basically, stars don't mean shiz.
2006
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i'm just stunned they feel that 2 years of Marve would be better than 4 years of Boyd
I don't think BC is that serious of a player for Boyd, I think it's Oregon and Ohio State and I'd say OSU has the edge
whoever gets him will have a pretty good player on their hands...I wish we hadn't decided to give Kevin Newsome the Tyrod treatment and had recruited Boyd hard from day 1...not too many Phoebus kids come out of there without going to VT
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